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  Door to door non-denomination christians

  by Bob Loblaw in

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  so a young man and a young woman approached my new investment property yesterday and opened with the line,..."hi, we are just talking to people in the neigborhood about jesus.

  they were dressed in street clothes so i was kind of taken aback.

  they are missionaries and there are group of about 15 of them that are attending to my neigborhood and surrounding neigborhoods.

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  Heathen, -"They mention a name of a church or anything? Or did they just take it on themselves to go to complete strangers homes ? I'd be real leary of it myself." I hear you. I am definitely somewhat of a skeptic. I haven't quite figured what this group is completely about, but there visit was a welcome change from the JW approach. They stopped by yesterday for a few minutes and scheduled to help me with my house today. Unfortunately I had too many errands to run and told them that they are welcome to help sometime this week. During their visit i recieved a little more info from them. Their group is called People of Praise. I've been so busy lately i haven't had an extra second to read through their website but here it is if you want to check it out: http://www.peopleofpraise.org/
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  Door to door non-denomination christians

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so a young man and a young woman approached my new investment property yesterday and opened with the line,..."hi, we are just talking to people in the neigborhood about jesus.

  they were dressed in street clothes so i was kind of taken aback.

  they are missionaries and there are group of about 15 of them that are attending to my neigborhood and surrounding neigborhoods.

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  So a young man and a young woman approached my new investment property yesterday and opened with the line,..."hi, we are just talking to people in the neigborhood about Jesus." They were dressed in street clothes so I was kind of taken aback. They are missionaries and there are group of about 15 of them that are attending to my neigborhood and surrounding neigborhoods. They said that God put it on their heart to minister to my very "on the fringe" neighborhood. After talking to these people for awhile I understood that they weren't there just to go door to door and trying to start "free home bible studies". They are working with the many poor families and especially trying to help the poor children in need. They also want to come over and give me a hand on my house free of charge. So JW's out there,...here is yet another example of another group out "in the ministry" "preaching the good news". What was refreshing was that these people weren't robots,...unlike the JW approach. They actually gave me their phone number and want me to call them soon so that they can come over and lend me a hand. In comparison to the JW door to door work,...these people seemed really genuine and loving. It was apparent that they weren't simply trying to convert but to show love for their neighbor. I just found this experience very interesting and wanted to share.
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  "The Truth", who coined the term, when did it begin circulating in JW land

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anytime i hear one of my family members or any other jw say the phrase "the truth" in a sentence it makes my blood boil.

  christians of different denominations may ask each other: .

  "how long have you been a christian?".

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  Anytime I hear one of my family members or any other JW say the phrase "the truth" in a sentence it makes my blood boil.

  Christians of different denominations may ask each other:

  "how long have you been a christian?"

  "how long have you been catholic, lutheran, evangelical,..etc.?"

  "how long have you believed?", or "how long have you believed in Jesus?"

  JW's say:

  "How long have you been 'in the truth'?"

  I find this phrase so incredibly irritating. I realize when members say the phrase that they don't really think about what they are saying. Its just a part of the mind control.

  Yet, the phrase is so incredibly arrogant.

  So I've been wondering:

  When did this phrase begin circulating in JW land? Did any one particular person coin the phrase? Did it appear in literature at a certain point? Or was this something that was slowly spread by word of mouth from the top down to the R & F?

  Are there any other religions/ cults that use this phrase when referring to themselves?
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  Please put your JW heads back on for a moment... (Memorial Meal)

  by AlphaOmega in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.

  i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.

  the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.

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  ...everyone at the meal partook. I don't recall Jesus cordially inviting other believers to join them to simply observe.
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  When DID the Jews return?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wts says that the key date in the jews return from babylon is tishri 1 537 bce.. the wts uses that date to arrive at its incorrect date of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  in turn, its 607 bce date is used to provide the date of october 1914 ce for christs parousia and the setting up of gods kingdom government.

  the wts claims to be the sole representative upon earth of gods kingdom.. the date of the jews return is thus crucial to the watchtower societys (wts) existence and authority.

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  Who celebrates these so-called "celebrated" WT scholars?

  -This kind of speech reminds me of how every person in North Korea refers to Kim Jong Ill as 'our dear leader'.
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  Should I talk to Joel Engardio on the phone? What would you ask him?

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i met this girl last night whose best friend is best friends with joel engardio.

  i said that i would really like to talk to him and she said that she could get me his phone number and he would be happy to speak with me.

  i haven't seen the film "knocking" yet,...so i don't really know what i would discuss with him at this point.

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  Thanks everyone for your excellent thoughts and comments. I will definitely watch the film soon. Thanks Gayle for the heads up on the "mail it forward", but I am going to purchase my own copy. Unfortunately we (myself and Joel) live in different cities, otherwise it would be really nice to go out casually for a few beers and conversation and he would probably be more apt to open up on many of the above issues. So I don't know how cool he will be with answering such critical questions from a stranger over the phone. I guess I'll see if it comes to that.
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  When DID the Jews return?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the wts says that the key date in the jews return from babylon is tishri 1 537 bce.. the wts uses that date to arrive at its incorrect date of 607 bce for the destruction of jerusalem.

  in turn, its 607 bce date is used to provide the date of october 1914 ce for christs parousia and the setting up of gods kingdom government.

  the wts claims to be the sole representative upon earth of gods kingdom.. the date of the jews return is thus crucial to the watchtower societys (wts) existence and authority.

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  When DID scholar return?
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  Should I talk to Joel Engardio on the phone? What would you ask him?

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i met this girl last night whose best friend is best friends with joel engardio.

  i said that i would really like to talk to him and she said that she could get me his phone number and he would be happy to speak with me.

  i haven't seen the film "knocking" yet,...so i don't really know what i would discuss with him at this point.

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  So I met this girl last night whose best friend is best friends with Joel Engardio. I said that I would really like to talk to him and she said that she could get me his phone number and he would be happy to speak with me. I haven't seen the film "knocking" yet,...so I don't really know what I would discuss with him at this point. However, reading others threads about "Knocking, the first thing that comes to my mind would be to encourage him to make another film that is more critical and highlights the sexual abuses and tragedies of the ban on blood transfusions. What would you ask him?
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  The Scotsman...this thread is started for you if you wish to comment....

  by FreedomFrog in

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  2. friends

  the scotsman said:.

  << tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.

  that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.

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  "Jehovah has always "gradually" revealed his purpose to mankind. John was given the Revelation - but did he understand it all? No. Why? He did not need to know." Sure John didn't understand it all, but those words he was inspired to write down haven't changed. The "inspired" words the GB has written down have changed a myriad of times.
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  Do JW's believe the third temple will be rebuilt?

  by Bob Loblaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i just read this article "strumming to the third temple" (http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.tv-6231-israelnews-strumming-third-temple) (beautiful harps btw) and it made me wonder if the wts believes that a third temple will be built.

  many religious jews and evangelical/ fundamentalist christians believe a third temple will be built,...so what about the jw's?

  do they have any teachings on the subject?

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  Well, if the third temple is actually built one day,...that should make things rather interesting according to the doctrinal problems it poses for JW theology. There are a few movements who want to see this happen asap. The Temple Insitute (http://www.templeinstitute.org) and The Temple Mount Faithful (http://www.templemountfaithful.org) and the newly reestablished Sanhedrin (http://www.thesanhedrin.org). Here's an excerpt from the Sanhedrin: 28 Iyar 5765. The Sanhedrin calls upon all groups who work in the area of Temple and Temple Mount-related research and activity, to begin to prepare detailed architectural plans for the construction of the Holy Temple, towards the goal of its establishment in its proper place. The Sanhedrin will establish a forum of architects and engineers whose goal will be to implement this decision, so that detailed working plans are effectively brought to an operational stage. The Sanhedrin calls upon the Jewish people to contribute towards the acquisition of materials for the purpose of rebuilding the Holy Temple; the gathering and preparation of prefabricated, disassembled portions of this building to be stored and ready for rapid assembly, in the manner of King David. These contributions will be consider "chulin," i.e., non-sacred, for the purpose of the planning and construction of the Temple.